Old PHP should I manually upgrade

jwqos · April 19, 2025, 7:04pm

What type of hardware are you using: Raspberry Pi 3, 4+
What YunoHost version are you running: 12.0.4
How are you able to access your server: The webadmin
SSH
Are you in a special context or did you perform specific tweaking on your YunoHost instance ?: no

Describe your issue

I have two yunohost servers, one running PHP 8.3 as expected and the other older one also running PHP 8.3, but when I do ‘php version’ here’s the output of both in the field bellow

Share relevant logs or error messages

$ php --version
PHP 8.3.20 (cli) (built: Apr 14 2025 18:44:12) (NTS)
Copyright (c) The PHP Group
Zend Engine v4.3.20, Copyright (c) Zend Technologies
with Zend OPcache v8.3.20, Copyright (c), by Zend Technologies
and:
$ php --version
PHP 7.4.33 (cli) (built: Mar 10 2025 15:24:59) ( NTS )
Copyright (c) The PHP Group
Zend Engine v3.4.0, Copyright (c) Zend Technologies
with Zend OPcache v7.4.33, Copyright (c), by Zend Technologies

otm33 · April 19, 2025, 10:03pm

Hello,
Multiple versions of PHP can be installed side by side but only one can be the default cli version. You can switch between versions with sudo update-alternatives --config php but be careful: some services may still depends on PHP 7.4. After all, is it worth changing ?

jarod5001 · April 19, 2025, 10:15pm

You can check the php versions installed on your server using sudo update-alternatives --list php
YunoHost manages the php versions depending on the what your apps require, so you don’t have to care about it.

jwqos · April 20, 2025, 4:57pm

hmm I see
old server(around 5 years old):

$ sudo update-alternatives --list php
/usr/bin/php7.4
/usr/bin/php8.1
/usr/bin/php8.2
/usr/bin/php8.3

new server(around 3 years old):

$ sudo update-alternatives --list php
/usr/bin/php8.3

They both have the same apps, only the new server has a few more apps but still only php 8.3

metyun · April 22, 2025, 7:50pm

Hello,

This command tells you the versions to keep :

lsof  | grep /var/run/php | awk '{print  $9}' | sort -u | cut -d'/' -f5 | awk -F'-' '{print $3 " use " $1}'| sed 's/.sock//'

When you upgrade Yunohost, sometimes there is a migration (Debian 11 to Debian 12 for example ) and you keep some old php versions. You can clean your system from this old versions. Watch in /etc/php/x.x/fpm/pool.d too (replace x.x by php version) to understand.

You can read this (in french) :

Faire-le-menage-dans-les-versions-php

jwqos · April 23, 2025, 9:37pm

that command give no output here

metyun · April 24, 2025, 10:35am

Ok, this command needs root user, add sudo before it :

sudo lsof  | grep /var/run/php | awk '{print  $9}' | sort -u | cut -d'/' -f5 | awk -F'-' '{print $3 " use " $1}'| sed 's/.sock//'

jwqos · April 24, 2025, 12:25pm

So basically it’s only using 8.3:

$ sudo lsof  | grep /var/run/php | awk '{print  $9}' | sort -u | cut -d'/' -f5 | awk -F'-' '{print $3 " use " $1}'| sed 's/.sock//'
dolibarr use php8.3
nextcloud use php8.3

Can I simply remove all other versions?

metyun · April 25, 2025, 10:18pm

Yes you can remove php versions that are not use.
You can also delete old folders in /etc/php.
You can see what is the app that used php7.4, php8.1 and php8.2 with :

ls /etc/php/[0-9].[0-9]/fpm/pool.d

I guess it is Nextcloud. If you have several version for the same app , you can keep only the last and delete all the others versions and their relatives folders /etc/phpX.x.
Don’t forget to uninstall all old php packages. You can do it by adding a wildcard like this phpx.x* in your deleting command.
My server is 6 or 7 years old ago, and i delete all the old versions without problems.

JL13 · April 26, 2025, 5:42pm

The command yunohost tools basic-space-cleanup detects the useless packages, including the PHP<x.x> packages, and suggests to clear them.

After my upgrade to yunohost v12, it suggested me to clear PHP 7.4 and PHP 8.1 packages.
Without the corresponding packages, I was then sure that I could delete the directories /etc/php/7.4 et /etc/php/8.1.

jwqos · April 26, 2025, 5:47pm

The output of your command, not sure what www.conf is:

$ ls /etc/php/[0-9].[0-9]/fpm/pool.d
/etc/php/7.4/fpm/pool.d:
www.conf

/etc/php/8.1/fpm/pool.d:
www.conf

/etc/php/8.2/fpm/pool.d:
www.conf

/etc/php/8.3/fpm/pool.d:
dolibarr.conf  nextcloud.conf  www.conf

jwqos · April 26, 2025, 5:50pm

Wow there was a lot of stuff here to be deleted:

$ sudo yunohost tools basic-space-cleanup
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
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metyun · April 26, 2025, 7:02pm

Wow cool! I knew that this command delete old logs archives and more but i don’t remember that it also removes old php versions. Or this was not the case in the past perhaps. Thanks!

jwqos · April 26, 2025, 8:28pm

actually it did not remove the old php version, but I just did with: sudo apt purge php7.4-common

then I removed the /etc/php/php7.4

Same thing with all other versions except the 8.3.

Thanks.

system · May 26, 2025, 8:29pm

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